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the 2006/2007 season for the reds, boeren and allsvenskan

Post by D. Sauzi » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:55 pm

So new season new thread

first of all, the intertoto cup 3rd round, saw swedish Kalmar FF beat twente 1-0 in Sweden :D, return is this week. Another quite astonishing result from the first legs is slovenian SK Maribor beating Villareal by 2-1, on Spanish soil.

The Italian clubs have been punished as follows:
-Juventus to Serie B with -30 points
-Fiorentina to Serie B with -12 points
-Lazio Roma to Serie B with -7 points
-AC Milan stays in Serie A but with -15 points.
-This gives Inter and AS Roma direct CL spots (Inter as group head, Roma as a number 2)
-This gives Palermo and Chievo spots in QR3 for the CL, Palermo is seeded(due to uefa cup runs from last two years), Chievo isnt.
-due to all this Parma, Empoli and Livorno go into the UEFA cup, of those Parma is seeded for round 1.
-I wouldn't know which teams will be replacements of the three relegated clubs, they might either leave the relegated teams of the last competition in the Serie A, or promote some more teams from B. (relegated were Messina, Lecce adn Treviso, number 4-6 from serie B are Mantova, Modena and Cesena (Atalanta, Catania and Torino have been promoted already))

transfer talks are going on about Vennegoor going to Porto, money is an issue however, it is rumored that Makaay might be his replacement if we get the money, though that would strike me as very unlikely.
the Mexican international Salcido has been contracted.

interesting results from intertoto final round 3:
Villareal - Maribor(svn) 1-2
Kalmar FF - FC Twente 1-0
Grasshoppers - AA Gent 2-1
Ol Marseille - Dnjepropetrovsk 0-0
Hertha - Moskva 0-0
Newcastle - Lillestrom(nor) 1-1
Auxerre -Farul (rom) 4-1

interesting results from Champions League QR1 (just started)
ehm.. none really Irish champions won, Welsh champion lost from the Finnish. none are really interesting fro the next round, ill post the fictures when they're known, Djurgardens who steps in at QR2 will not play any of the QR1 teams, they'll play slovakian schampions Ruzomberok.
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Post by D. Sauzi » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:34 pm

the Champions League QR1 has finished:

Hafnarfjordur (ice) - TVMK Tallinn (est) 1-1 (3-2) 4-3
The New Saints (wal) - MyPa 47 (fin) 0-1 (0-1) 0-2
Aktobe (kaz) - Liepajas Met. (lat) 1-1 (0-1) 1-2
Ap. Limassol (cyp) - Cork City (ire) 1-1 (0-1) 1-2
Torshavn (fae) - Birkirkara (mal) 2-2 (3-0) 5-2 !!!<<<<<<
Gorica (svn) - Linfield (n-i) 2-2 (3-1) 5-3
Siroki Brijeg (bos) - Shakh. Soligorsk (blr) 1-0 (1-0) 2-0
Ekranas (lit) - Elbasani (alb) 3-0 (0-1) 3-1
Baku (aze) - Sioni Bolnisi (geo) 1-0 (0-2) 1-2
Sheriff Tiraspol(mol) - Pyunik Yerewan (arm) 2-0 (0-0) 2-0
Rabotnicki (mac) - Dudelange (lux) 0-0 (1-0) 1-0

So there is news in the QR1. our Faroese friends have advanced to QR2 a first time ever, for a meeting with Fenerbahce :D

Here are the ties, scheduled for 25/26 july and returns on 1/2 august
Torshavn (fae) - Fenerbahce (tur)
Djurgardens (swe) - Ruzomberok (svk)
Spartak Moscow (rus) - Sheriff Tiraspol (mol)
Steaua Bucharest (rom) - NK Gorica (svn)
Heart of Midlothian (sco) - Siroki Brijeg (bos)
Dynamo Kiev (ukr) - Liepajas Metal. (lat)
Mlada Bodeslav (cze) - Valerenga (nor)
Crvena Zvezda (Red Star) (ser) - Cork City (ire)
Levski Sofia (bul) - Sioni Bolnisi (geo)
Legia Warsaw (pol) - Hafnarfjordur (ice)
Zurich (sui) - Salzburg (aut)
Kobenhavn (den) - MyPa 47 (fin)
Debrecen (hun) - Rabotnicki (mac)
Dinamo Zagreb (cro) - Ekranas (lit)
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Post by D. Sauzi » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:53 pm

Sorry for our Swedish lads, but the Swedish contingent at Twente beat them 3-1 in the return. It was quite tense after Kalmar scored the 1-1 in the 66th minute so Twente needed three goals in total, but Sharbel Touma managed to score all three of them, with good crosses from Kennedy.

the other teams that move into QR2 of the UEFA cup:
with Spanish last year CL semifinalists Villareal needing to recover from a 2-1 home deficit against slovenian number 4 Maribor they travelled to Slovenia, to batter themselves against the Maribor wall, they didnt make it, it even became 1-0 and Villareal ended with 8 men after Forlan, Tacchinardi and Rodriguez were sent off, while they only got the equaliser in the 85th minute.
*Maribor - Villareal 1-1 (2-1) 3-2
Dnjepropetrovsk - *Ol Marseille 2-2 (0-0) 2-2
*Newcastle - Lillestrom 3-0 (1-1) 4-1
*Auxerre - Farul 0-1 (4-1) 4-2
*Hertha BSC - Moskva 2-0 (0-0) 2-0
Hibernians - *Odense BK 2-1 (0-1) 2-2
*Grasshoppers - AA Gent 1-1 (2-1) 3-2
*Kayserispor(tur) - Larissa(gre) 2-0 (0-0) 2-0
*Ried (aus) - Tiraspol (mol) 1-1 (3-1) 4-2
*Achnas (cyp) - M Petah Tikva (isr) 2-3 (2-0) 4-3

winner advance to uefa qr2, which will be drawn on 28 july, and played on 10 and 24 of August.
this round is in my opinion already full UEFA cup considering anumber of the teams playing in it, the reason its called QR is because some more teams, most notably from higher leagues and the CL QRs join one round later, second the QR is played in three regions,
'Northern' (England, Scotland, Holland, belgium, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Sweden, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania (and i suppose Estonia too then))
'Central-East' (Switzerland, Czech, Poland, Slovakia, Russia, Ukraine, Austria, Hungary, Moldova, Georgia, (and i suppose some more orginal Soviet countries and Caucasus countries)
'Southern-Mediterranean' (France, Serbia, Romania, Turkey, Israel, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Slovenia, (and i suppose any missing countries from the region)
as you might notice no Spain, Italy and such, those are countries that are too high, France, Holland and such only play there because of intertoto.
anyway, i said there were some larger teams, like Club Brugge, Basel, Rapid Bucharest, Partizan, Trabzonspor or CSKA Sofia.

for our interests English: Newcastle, Dutch: twente, Swedish: IFK Goteborg, Atvidabergs and Gefle.

wait i'm going to fast there some are playing in QR1 at the moment
Gefle - Llanelli(wales) was 1-2 in the first leg
Goteborg - Derry cty(ireland) 0-1,
Atvidabergs - Etzella Ettelbruck(luxemburg) 4-0
returns are on 27-7. so it's a bit doubtable whether all three will be present in QR2, they should according to seeding coefficient, but home losses make things hard if i think of Vilalreal..
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Post by D. Sauzi » Wed Jul 26, 2006 2:37 pm

grr the Italian clubs had quite some succes with their appeal, only Juventus goes down to the serie B, with -17 points, Fiorentina and Lazio stay in the serie A, AC Milan is even allowed to keep their CL spot, well they have to play QR3 instead of directly, but still.

probably still not over as all teams keep appealing to get back their european football, and get less points deduction at the start., right now they place Milan on -8, Fiore on -11 and Lazio on -19.

moving Milan to the CL QR3 means Palermo is now nicked of the CL spot, and goes to UEFA, and Empoli loses their UEFA spot. due to only Juventus being relegated Lecce and Treviso are still being relegated, Messina is allowed to stay due to Juve.
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Post by Marcus » Thu Jul 27, 2006 8:57 am

Well, Swedes times havent gone far since like 2000 When Helsingborg struck out Inter or what it was from the Champions League :)

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Post by D. Sauzi » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:40 pm

didnt last year one of your teams kick out Sporting Lisbon?

The real fun has started, the CL QR3 draw has been done, the first leg of the QR2 matches have been played, and in the UEFA the QR2 draw is made and QR1 is finished:

First the CL draw, most interesting games:
Liverpool - Maccabi Haifa
Djurgardens / Ruzomberok - CSKA Moscow

Osasuna - Hamburger SV
Dynamo Kiev/Liepajas M - Fenerbahce/Torshavn

Ajax - Kobenhavn / MyPa 47
Arsenal - Dinamo Zagreb / Ekranas
Milan - Crvena Zvezda / Cork
Chievo - Lev. Sofia / Sioni Bolnisi
Hearts / Siroki Brijeg - AEK Athens
Valencia - Salzburg / Zurich
Spartak Moscow / Sheriff - Sl Liberec (Cze)
Shakhtar Donetsk - Legia Warsaw / Hafnarfjordur
Galatasaray - Mlada Boleslav / Valerenga
Steaua Bucharest / Gorica - Standard Liege (Bel)
Benfica - Austria Wien
Lille - Debrecen / Rabotnicki

so... The Reds come to Ewen... It isnt known where they play yet, but it won't be Haifa. it'll be either Tel Aviv or on Cyprus. quite astonishing draw however, considering Ewens position..
The Swedes haven't got a bad draw either, there's much worse than CSKA, but they will have a hard time for sure, if they finish Ruzomberok that is.
The first matches of QR2 have also already been played, with some results:
Fenerbahce - Torshavn 4-0 :roll:
Djurgarden - Ruzomberok (svk) 1-0
furthermore Dynamo Kiev, Levski Sofia, Steaua Bucharest, Dinamo Zagreb, Hearts, Kobenhavn and Boleslav are as much as trough.
Red Star and Legia have work to finish after 1-0 wins, the new Salzburg lost with an away goal, 2-1, Spartak's and Debrecen's ties are still completely open.
so Djurgardens have give themselves qutie an ok chance to advance to CSKA. The Slovakian champions wont be finished however, Artmedia wasnt very shitty last year...
the QR1 from the UEFA cup had the following for us interesting results:
Gefle - Llanelli 0-0, so Llanelli advance with 2-1. Alas Gefle were put to ten men halfway.
IFK Goteborg - Derry cty 0-1, makes 0-2 (penalty..)
Atvidabergs save the honor however, beating Ettelbruck 3-0, for a 7-0 on aggregate.
They go into the QR2 pots, together with Twente, who beat Kalmar in Intertoto, and Newcastle from the English Intertoto. Only somewhat interesting team to go out is Hibernians.
(Faroese GI Gota and Skala go out too)
Atvidabergs - Brann Bergen (nor)
Twente - Levadia Tallinn (est)
Newcastle - Ventspils (lat)
Ol Marseille - Young Boys (sui)

There are quite some interesting teams in this QR already, but Marseille is the onyl one getting an interesting draw. Atvidabergs is quite lucky, going to their neighbours, the draw could have been much harder, and this is quite interesting, a Norway - Sweden.
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Post by D. Sauzi » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:22 am

we beat Newcastle 3-2 in our first real opponent friendly, got 3-0 up, the 3-2 was an unjust penalty after a correct tackle from Addo. Team played very nicely, without the young dutch-moroccans Afellay and Aissati the lineup was/seems Kone/Vennegoor/Farfan ; Cocu/(Vayrynen or Culina)/Simons ; Salcido/Alex/Addo/Ooijer ; Gomes. (edit Farfan, Vennegoor and Culina scored)
Moens seems a good standin keeper, we saw some good first spells of Da Costa and Lamey or in desperate times Reiziger seem good substiutes in the back line, and of course there's Beasley for refreshment up front. I'll post a selection when we get closer to the deadline, so no Bouma's and Lee's leave on the last seconds...

On that btw, only Vennegoor seems in improbable talks with Porto.

and if no-one heard, Ruud van Nistelrooij moved to Real Madrid.
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Post by D. Sauzi » Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:38 am

Teehee, we got hold of another international from the second round of the WC, its the Ecuadorian midfielder Mendez. First

thoughts appear good to me, though we have a bit of an oversized midfield, if he joins Cocu, Simons, Aissati, Afellay, Vayrynen and partly Culina and Beasley for three midfield spots. (we play 4-3-3 as you might know) though Cocu is of course on his last year this year.

ow and of course interesting, during the Bergkamp goodbye match between Arsenal and Ajax, our dear PSV rock Jaap Stam has held up his end of the bargain by scoring his first own goal against Ajax.
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Post by D. Sauzi » Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:15 am

more qualification, Djurgardens alas bow out, surprisingly the Macedonian champions stay in. Spartak moscow managed a draw to go on on away goals. I shall not talk to much about the Faroese champions ;)

Ruzomberok (svk) - Djurgardens 3-1 (3-2)
Torshavn - Fenerbahce 0-5 (0-9)
Steaua Bucharest - Gorica(svn) 3-0 (5-0)
Siroki Brijeg(bos) - Hearts 0-0 (0-3)
Dynamo Kiev - Metal. Liepajas (lat) 4-0 (8-1)
Spartak Moscow - Sheriff Tiraspol (mol) 0-0 (1-1)

Sioni Bolnisi(geo) - Levski Sofia 0-2 (0-4)
Dinamo Zagreb - Ekranas (lit) 5-2 (9-3)
Legia Warsaw - Hafnarfjordur (ice) 2-0 (3-0)
Valerenga - Mlada Boleslav(cze) 2-2 (3-5)
Crvena Zvezda - Cork 3-0 (4-0)
Salzburg - Zurich 2-0 (3-2)
Rabotnicki (mac) - Debrecen (hun) 4-1 (5-2)
MyPa47 (fin) - Kobenhavn 2-2 (2-4)

which makes for QR3:
Liverpool - Maccabi Haifa
Hamburger SV - Osasuna
Dynamo Kiev - Fenerbahce
AC Milan - Crvena Zvezda
Dinamo Zagreb - Arsenal
Salzburg - Valencia
Levski Sofia - Chievo Verona
Hearts - AEK Athens
CSKA Moscow - Ruzomberok (svk)
Galatasaray - Mlada Boleslav (cze)
Standard Liege (bel) - Steaua Bucharest
Kobenhavn - Ajax
Austria Wien - Benfica
Lille - Rabotnicki (mac)
Spartak Moscow - Slovan Liberec (cze)
Shaktar Donetsk - Legia Warsaw

interesting ties are HSV - Osasuna and Kiev-Fenerbahce to me
the big guns Arsenal Milan Valencia and L'pool should have an easy time as should the lesser guns Benfica, Ajax, Lille and probably CSKA, Steaua and Galatasaray too, Steaua-Liege might be quite ok.
Sofia vs Chievo and Hearts vs AEK will be close and interesting while Spartak - Slovan Liberec and Shakthar - Legia probably will be boring.
I must admit i dont know the new Czech teams well however.
I'm also interested how Trappatoni & Matthaus will do with their Salzburg project against Valencia.

Anyone here seen something of the Djurgarden match, Sadness maybe, how bad was it?
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Post by D. Sauzi » Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:13 pm

more nonsensical fact blabber

a country division of what is playing in CL, or at least european, if they bow out in QR3:

Spain(73.7): Barcelona, Real Madrid, Valencia, Osasuna
England(63.3): Chelsea, Man U, L'pool, Arsenal
Italy(61.1): Inter, Roma, Chievo, Milan
France(49.5): Ol Lyon, Girondins de Bordeaux, Lille
Germany(49.0): Bayern Munchen, Werder Bremen, Hamburger SV
Portugal(44.7): Porto, Sporting Lissabon, Benfica
Holland(39.8): PSV, Ajax
Greece(35.4): Olympiakos, AEK Athens
Scotland(31.7): Celtic, Hearts
Belgium(31.7): Anderlecht, Standard Luik
Turkey(29.9): Galatasaray, Fenerbahce
Czech(27.9): Slovan Liberec, Mlada Boleslav
Russia(25.7): CSKA Moscow, Spartak Moscow
Austria(24.9): Austria Wien, Salzburg
Ukraine(24.9): Shakhtar Donetsk, Dynamo Kiev
Israel(21.9): Maccabi Haifa
Serbia(21.2): Crvena Zvezda
Poland(21.0): Legia Warsaw
Bulgaria(18.5): Levski Sofia
Croatia(18.1): Dinamo Zagreb
Denmark(17.2): Kobenhavn
Romania(15.4): Steaua Bucharest
Slovakia(11.7): Ruzomberok
Macedonia(4.5): Rabotnicki

This is from the ranking used fro this year, which includes 2004/2005 as last season, the just done 2005/2006 season is used for next year, in that ranking Russia and Romania have climbed to spots 9 and 10 passing Scotland and Belgium. Ukraine managed up to 13 passing Czech, Turkey and Austria, the last even slipping to spot 20, passed by amongst others Bulgaria and Switzerland.
those are the final placement positions for next year, i will explain the effects of that sometime later, but there will surely be even more eastern european faces next season. Sweden as said in last thread has slipped to 26, just above Slovakia and just in QR2 for next year.

the ranking that this season will have effect on is for the 2007/2008 placement, and in that one Greece is falling away to 15 at the moment, Romania, Russia, Belgium, Scotland, Ukraine, Czech and Bulgaria all passing them if nothing happens for them. Bulgaria thus is also on a raise now, currently in front of Turkey too who are slipping to 16th. As long as Ruzomberok doesnt go crazy, or Artmedia has a long UEFA run Sweden should be keeping their 26th spot, and if Atvidabergs can manage they might even pass Croatia for 25th.

the rise of Russia, Romania and Bulgaria is of course thanks to CSKA's UEFA cup win, and last year had two Romanian and one Bulgarian semifinalist in the UEFA, Steaua and Sofia are now present in the CL, if they beat Standard and Chievo, interesting.
What also will be interesting is that the year after the one we're playing for now (that would be 2008/2009 :roll:) Portugal will lose their CL win by Porto, if i deduct those points from their mean from other years, they'll slip between or even behind Holland, Romania and Russia, which would mean we see a new country with 3 teams. (none of those have good scores falling off for that season)

note: effects of positions:
1-3 get 2 direct and 2 QR3 spot
4-6 get 2 direct and 1 QR3 spot
7-9 get 1 direct and 1 QR3 spot
10-15 get 1 QR3 and 1 QR2 spot
16-25 get 1 QR2 spot
26 and lower get a QR1 spot
if the CL winner is from countries 1-3 everything moves one up which means number 10 go in directly, number 16 goes to QR3 and number 26 (Sweden) goes to QR2.
(this happened this year with Barcelona, moving Celtic directly into group stage, Maccabi Haifa into QR3 and Djurgardens into QR2)
(the UEFA cup spots are also in this system, but putting them in the same chart makes things a bit complicated, since there are only about 6 teams per country allowed european, meaning for instance Spain get only two spots, while Holland gets four.)
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Post by D. Sauzi » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:43 pm

first leg of QR3 has been played yesterday, our Danish friends from kobenhavn made a nice display including Gronkjaer and Allback against Ajax, they should have won but succumbed 1-2, and are probably out. They were wqutie right however, this is one of the best Danish competition teams ever, and i'd say they should be capable of overwintering in the UEFA cup.

Liverpool took the Haifa hurdle at home, though not without any pain, not only did it just became 2-1 for them, the winning goal was scored in the 89' minute, and they still have an away goal against them, they should of course be able to take this lead into CL, but no doubt they wished for a better result in the start. During the match however they can be deemed lucky, Haifa scored the opening goal and were by no means the lesser of Lpool.

The big surprise was made by the Red Bull team from Trapatoni and Matthaus, they managed to beat Valencia 1-0 at home, and very deservedly so. Might of course not be enough with the away match to come, but a very good result against a Spanish Giant.

The other Spanish team did ok in the end, Hamburger SV completley rolled over Osasuna, but didnt manage to score. Osasuna even had some chances on the counter, but this was a night where no goals would fall. HSV does seem a lot better however.

Fenerbahce are also in trouble, after getting a 3-1 loss from Dynamo Kiev, Two goals from Rincon and a great volley from Yussuf saw the Ukrainians nearly into the CL.

Hearts were upset in Edinburgh, Although they came in front undeservedly in the 60th minute, after Aguiar of Herats was sent off the tides changed and AEK luckily managed two goals in injury time, for a 1-2 away win that almost seals the scottish fate.

The two talented Eastern European teams from last years UEFA cup did good business too, Levski Sofia beat newcomers Chievo 2-0 at home though the Bulgarians, aiming to be the first of their country in the CL, were a bit lucky not getting a goal against, they are almost there. Steaua did good too, reaching a 2-2 away against Belgian runner up Standard. It seems to have been a quite equal match with a good result, but it does leave Steaua only needing a draw for the CL.

The other matches went the ways of the predicted winners:
Dianmo Zagreb - Arsenal 0-3 (goal & assist from v Persie)
Milan - Crvena Zvezda 1-0
Lille - Rabotnicki 3-0
CSKA Moscow - Ruzomberok 3-0
Galatasaray - Mlada Boleslav 5-2
Shakthar Donetsk - Legia Warsaw 1-0
Slovan Liberec - Spartak Moscow 0-0
Austria Wien - Benfica 1-1

These result set up Arsenal, Lille, Ajax, Galatasaray, Dynamo Kiev, CSKA Moscow, AEK Athens and Levski Sofia for the champions league.
Liverpool, Milan, Shakhtar, Benfica, Steaua and Salzburg are in good position. HSV-Osasuna and Spartak-Liberec are still totally open.
as expected many of the large contingent of (new) eastern european names are in trouble after this day, with Boleslav, Ruzomberok, Rabotnicki, Legia, Red Star and Zagreb all trailing.
Still though, with CSKA, Steaua, Sofia, Liberec/Spartak, Shakhtar and Kiev they are still very much on the rise.

Tonight is also the first leg in the UEFA cup last QR, with Atvidabergs, Twente and Newcastle.

ow and an interesting friendly match, Heerenveen beat Middlesbrough 4-0 ;)

some transfer news over the past weeks:
Crespo switched Chelsea for Inter, Ribery is doubting between England and Ol Lyon, and Juventus keeps getting emptier, after Cannavaro, Vieira, Emerson, Zambrotta and Vieira now Ibrahimovic has also gone, for nearly 25m E, to Inter. Camoranesi still wants to leave too.
Arsenal's Campbell went to Portsmouth. Our Ooijer is in talks with Blackburn Rovers.
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Post by Gorth » Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:02 am

D. Sauzi wrote:first leg of QR3 has been played yesterday, our Danish friends from kobenhavn made a nice display including Gronkjaer and Allback against Ajax, they should have won but succumbed 1-2, and are probably out. They were wqutie right however, this is one of the best Danish competition teams ever, and i'd say they should be capable of overwintering in the UEFA cup.
I read the after match commentary on a danish newspaper website :)

Some of the players were not so much angry that they lost, as they were puzzled over how they could possibly lose that match. That is, apart from the other team scoring more goals :wink:

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Post by D. Sauzi » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:48 pm

a small recap for the QR2 of the UEFA cup

our sole Swedish hope, Atvidabergs is still in. Some background: ... 42974.html The second division team, and only representative of the Swedes left, managed a 3-3 away at more known SK Brann Bergen from Norway. A small scoring draw at home would thus be enough for them to advance.

Other notable results:
Auxerre lost 1-0 away to OFK Beograd, which is probably the most devastating result. Furthermore dutch Twente had to swallow a home 1-1 draw versus Levadia Tallinn. Young Boys from Switzerland made a nice display too, Keeping Olympique Marseille to 3-3 at home. Rapid Bucharest, high hitting last year in the UEFA cup suffered a 1-0 loss too, away to Sarajevo.
The other bigger guns, Newcastle, Basel and Hertha both got 1-0 wins over Ventspils, Vaduz adn Ameri.
Slovenian Maribor, who toppled Villareal a round before, lost 2-1 away to Partizan Belgrado.
Teams able of being in the group stage performed good to well, with Artmedia, Brondby, CSKA Sofia, Dinamo Bucharest, Domzale, Slavia Prague, Trabzonspor, Grasshoppers, Wisla Krakow and Club Brugge all in better position than the opposition due to 2-1 or 0-0 at home, or 1-1 away.

other results:
Omonia - Litex 0-0, Rubin-BATE 3-0, Roeselare-Achnas 2-1, Ried-Sion 0-0, Odense BK-Lllanelli 1-0, Chornomorets-Plock 0-0, Molde-Skonto 0-0, Start-Drogheda 1-0, Tirana-Kayserispor 0-2, Gretna-Derry 1-5, Yehuda-Loko Sofia 0-2, Zimbru-Zaporizhya 0-0, Randers-Kaunas 3-1. (respective lesser positioned teams who play against the group i named 'able': Dinamo Minsk, Flora, Kula, Beitar, H. Tel Aviv, Karvan, Fehervar, Mattersburg and Suduva)

Also fun to note, is that there's a quite large Danish contingent heading for the UEFA Cup. With Kobenhavn probably joining from QR3 from the CL, and in this round Randers, Odense BK and Brondby all with good results. Which means they have all four in, and advancing (makes them temporarily sixth in country standing for this year alone, in which the top countries havent started of course, Denmark is in the 23rd in overall five year standings right now (the list for 08/09) the already gathered 1.625 points put them further away from Israel, and with good chance to pass Hungary and Poland. Of course getting to the all important 15th place is still 8000 points away, which is having all four go the round of 32 i'd guess, and more than half of the total 14.075 they guard now. Interesting nonetheless.)
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Post by D. Sauzi » Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:33 pm

PSV lost the season opening ouverture of the Johan Cruyff schaal once again, again 3-1 to Ajax. No problem whatsoever, they've played more serious matches, while for us it was one of the earlier tests for the season. Plus we lost to the same margin last season, you've seen where that got 'em.

The Community Shield in England (also cup vs champion) has been won by L'pool, so congrats if you read this Ewen. Great goal by Riise being a run from his own 16 metres.

Tonight there's a number of unimportant international friendlies, we have one versus Ireland, though Irish left most of the team at home. Our team takes it quite seriously, though Van Basten has decided to not use van Nistelrooy and van Bommel anymore. I doubt what comes from that, the team is now becoming very meek and young
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Post by D. Sauzi » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:02 pm

Huntelaar had a great debut with 2 goals and 2 assists in our friendly vs Ireland, won 4-0. Interesting is that England finally got a great win too, 4-0 over Greece. Brazil didnt get past Norway again, for the fourht time in a row they draw against the scandinavians. Alex and Gomes finally made their debut.

Kuyt from feyenoord has finally gone, to Liverpool. Good luck with him.

[edit] apparently there were also 3 EC qualifiers already, only interesting result is Belgium drawing vs Kazachstan. The real deal starts 2 september [/edit]

With the competition starting again this weekend, i'll have to my prediction for the new season again, so everyone can laugh at it at the end of the road. :
1. PSV - with new fellows Salcido and Mendez but especially keeping hold of Farfan, Cocu, Alex and Gomes we seem the same and better than last year. Add youngsters Affelay and Aissati, a finally fit Vayrynen. (Hopefully) Vennegoor and Ooijer staying, we should be in for quite a good season, both in Holland and CL.

2. Ajax - Ajax seems to have become a lot better adding to their talented youngsters the experience of Stam, Perez and Gabri plus off course the winter signing of Huntelaar. Schilder and Vertonghen also seem nice new youngsters, adding too already proven Sneijder, Babel, Emanuelson, Maduro, Vermaelen and Heitinga. only problems seem the wingers, Rosales and Rosenberg havent shown their best still.

3. AZ - AZ has changed quite a lot this summer, with the older well known faces Landzaat, Timmer, Perez and Van Galen gone. Still they have gotten hold of a set of talented youngsters: Dembele, Luirink, Jenner, Mendes da Silva and Martens plus a great midfielder in Cziommer. Add that to still young (internationals) Schaars, Mathijsen, Opdam, De Zeeuw, Mathijssen, De Cler and Jaliens plus a good forward in Arveladze, and AZ will be having a go at the title again this season.

4. Feyenoord - I'd give them fourht if they kept Kuyt, but since they havent i might even put them lower, however i did so last year without much succes. Anyway, Feyenoord has done little to cope with the loss of their deadly Kuyt & Kalou tandem. Only new faces are Timmer, Huysegems and Lucius who werent needed at AZ or PSV anymore. They'll need every bit of talent from Hofs, Castelen and de Guzman to get trough this year.

5. Heerenveen - I guess Heerenveen will still remain our all time subtop team. Though Bruggink and Hansson have left, their 4-0 win over Middlesbrough gives me the idea that the new contingent of Scandinavians and North Americans might do nicely.

6. FC Twente - it becomes rather grey here, but i think they can continue their upward movement from last season, especially after welcoming back Oude Kamphuis.

7. Groningen - I'd say last years magic is a bit over, though hey only lost Luirink in comparison. somewhere mid subtop seems okay.

8. Utrecht - Havent become much better again, but second rate AZ players and under 21 champion Tiendalli will get them around here.

9. Roda JC - Seems an ok team, but its emptied every time they do something good, suppose they wont be able to make a fist this year due to that too. Good coach however.

10. Vitesse - They might end up a bit higher but i dont really like Vitesse, always a bit colorless. But Janssen is still there, who got capped yesterday. And they bought lifetime talent Lazovic from Feyenoord, maybe he'll finally come loose.

11. NEC - Another quite colorless team, that has only Barreto speaking for them, nice players like Wielaert and Jones have gone too.

12. RKC - Will ahve to built all over once again, after this year De Ceulaer and Martens have gone.

13. NAC - i deem it quite impossible they do as badly as last year, but they still got a lot of internal troubles.

14. Willem II - same as above, though with less trouble and less quality.

15. ADO the Hague - I'd guess another colorless safe year in which they have to physically beat the other to get there. I believe they got an okay player from somewhere, but it seems i forgot.

16. Heracles - Although the veterans have stayed and the buying ahs been okay, I cant see them getting much higher.

17. Sparta - Colorless and no talent whatsoever, plus i dont like second and third teams from Rotterdam.

18. Excelsior - recently promoted third team from Rotterdam. see above. Plus they've got a contract with Feyenoord to be their satelite, so this is basically Feyenoord 2. Or even Feyenoord 3 since they'll keep their second team as substitutes.

in european respects i'd say PSV and Ajax should reach second round CL, depending on the draw maybe even QFs. AZ and Feyenoord should make UEFA last 16, Heerenveen last 32. Groningen will reach the group stage i hope, if the draw is favorable. Same goes for Twente, if they even manage to beat Levadia Tallinn.
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