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Some sessions later i'm not so sure anymore whether this is a great new set of rules. Some problems are creeping up in my view, though they might still be a childrens disease.

1) The classes are much more set in stone, a class requires three stats, and usually it really requires them. For instance i play a warlord which pretty much only has his con as a high stat, this means i have no bonuses, and in some cases no use, for its many int and cha abilities and even have a hard time hitting with all the str->hit requirements. The same goes for another two of our characters were trying to change to 4e, a rogue played fully trough the ranger class and a sorcerer with such high con and str its the main tank during low levels. For instance the Ranger isnt allowed to choose sleight-of-hand easily, and the sorcerer lacks any use of its high str and con apart from hit points.
2) Not only do the classes restrict your stats, they also allow for less diversity inbetween characters of the same class, for instance as a human warlord i am obliged to take 3 of the 4 at-will abilities and 4 out of 5 class skills, this means pretty much every warlord starts out with the same abilities, which makes it even harder to distinguish your characters from the others.
3) The characters are less deep, i think this is the smallest problem, that mainly has to do with the new rules, but everyone is so much trying to get a grip on the new abilties that they forget to give character to their set of stats. As well, the abilities intrude into the character builds, due to their characteristics, for instance an ability is called 'Pin the Foe' and it is quite hard to imagine it as something else, ie, the ability does no more than keep an enemy in place if two allies are adjacent, but we're not able yet to call it anything else than i 'pin the foe', instead of the colorful explanations of going about things we had in 3e.
4) The game is more narrow due to the abilities, we as players are looking at our sheets and picking abilities to use. I remember the early levels of 3e well, we were running around with rope, setting stuff on fire, being creative with level 0 spells and tried a lot of bluffing and diplomacy, as of yet, no more, it is almost solely using the class-abilities. Yes there are still some skills, but somehow they're not used often, there's also a new group of skill-like stuff, 'rituals', but we're not doing any of that yet either, let alone have a backpack full of tools and equipment and being creative with them.
5) Tactics seem to have taken a step back as well, this might be the most low-level problem of all, but a good 75% or more of the abilities only work when they hit, while this isn't a problem for sneak attacks or two-weapon attacks, this is for the more tactical of the abilities, for instance Wolves Pack allows you to shift an ally five feet, but only so when it hits, which means you cannot plan it, because it might very well not happen, your main target probably was moving the other guy, so that is why you used the ability, but it doesn't do anything. This stuff is quite irritating as it makes you lose your round, but you feeling doesnt say its simply because you hit his armor, because you werent trying to hit it, its just a weird prerequisite to moving your ally. There are a lot of these miss-> no effect abilities that have nothing to do with dealing damage, even 1/day abilities that are just lost if you miss with them.

I hope all of this stuff disappears when we reach a higher saturation of the rules and gain some levels, but after three sessions my feeling has turned from hope/interest to fear mainly due to the feeling there is less diversity among classes and stats play a more restrictive role.

edit, hmm it seems i misread 'wolves pack', just like i did with another before, maybe this is not so much of a point but more me thinking up crooked stuff.

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Just read this, I'd be interested in hearing what healing surges are. I haven't really looked at 4E, but what I've seen made it look more cartoonish/ over the top than even 3.5, would you agree with that?


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