Viconia on the stake (LG Paladin)

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A drow on the stake cries for help...

You ignore her pleads and watch her burn.
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You ignore her pleads and ignite it yourself *)
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You set her free and leave her to whatever next cruel fate awaits her
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You set her free and guide her to safety (group her)
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Viconia on the stake (LG Paladin)

Post by Jan » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:17 am

You come across a drow female that has been put to the stake by crazy fanatics that has gathered a crowd of spectators. As she sees you she cries out for help and Mincs is ready to help...and Jaheira is on the verge...Keldorn has no qualms. I am always in doubt. The greater good may be served, but it's still a bunch of crazy fantatics taking the law into their own hands and she do cry for help...

What is the Lawful Good Paladin action?

*) if this isn't an option in BG2 then don't use it.

Edit: added emphasis on PALADIN

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Re: Viconia on the stake (LG)

Post by redrake » Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:01 am

Janmanden wrote: *) if this isn't an option in BG2 then don't use it.
2 fireballs should be enough.

You forgot Annoymen. He's enjoying the fire. :P
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Post by D. Sauzi » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:05 pm

Though i would say the 4th option, i think the 'group' should bring her to a place where she'll be brought to justice in a respectful court, whatever the outcome. I suppose a LG character there would not allow the burning of an innocent and would bring her to a place where they'd give her a proper treatment, which she apparently isnt getting in that place, because a) she's being burned alive, can't think of a LG person carrying out that punishment, b)she's there because she's drow, that's no crime in LG eyes.

If the LG person were a paladin though, i'd say answer B (ignite yourself), she is an evil creature and should be wiped off the earth. Although burning her mightnt be the right way of achieving that.
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Post by Jan » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:14 pm

Hm... I guess I got ahead of myself. I just assumed that LG = Paladin, since that's the stereotype/epitome of that alignment.

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Post by D. Sauzi » Sun Dec 18, 2005 4:30 pm

/\ disagree with that strongly :) i think Paladins are the Lawful Good of Lawful Good, somewhat taking the idea of LG to the extreme.
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Post by Jan » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:38 pm

If you are not ready for that level of bigotry don't even go LG for chrissakes!!

*cough* That's assuming that LG is really a stereotype.

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Post by Marcus » Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:50 pm

They would surely destroy the wicked Wench! She's evil in heart even if she don follow Lloth anymore! Die Drow, Die now!

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Post by Barren » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:58 am

The group in BG2 are followers of an evil deity anyway.... Your average paladin would probably slay them (their drow BBQ is unlawful), capture Viccy, bring her before an acknowledged court, and make sure she still gets burned down in the end.
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Post by Lord Elden » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:41 am

What the game (BG) doesn't take in account is that there are several degrees of evil. Minor evil acts include stealing for instance. Major evil persons can be rapists or sadistic murderers. A Paladin feels the degree of evil the person has. Thus if Viconia is not a major evil character her punishment should NOT be that severe. If she's a major evil character her punishment (if she would have done any crime that is) should be determined by proper authorities not some self-acclaimed street mob (which is IIRC evil by the way). The decent thing to do would be to save her and stop the mob. However, as she is an evil character she should not be allowed to be in the party. Although, you could always argue that she needs protection while in town, so, you might escort her out of town. Before that you must however ensure she's not guilty of any crimes. So, although it is not right for a Paladin to be in the same group as an evil character it wouldn't be right to let her be alone either, thus you must do the less evil thing which IMHO is escort her out of town. In the game it works very fine to NOT let her join though, as she's able to get away to the graveyard unharmed anyway. So option free her and let her go.

Besides, all drows are NOT evil, so it would be racist to kill a drow just because of her skin colour, and that cannot be a LG act.
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Post by Jan » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:33 pm

If I'm not mistaken... Keldorn says something about the evil one or "burn the witch" just in other words, doesn't he?

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Post by Lord Elden » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:41 am

Janmanden wrote:If I'm not mistaken... Keldorn says something about the evil one or "burn the witch" just in other words, doesn't he?
He probably does, however, taken in consideration what he had in mind for his wife after finding out she's cheating on him puts things in perspective: his views aren't flawless.
In fact, a Paladin should feel the evil presence of the mob (in the board games I think the skill is 'on', so to speak, the whole time, it's not a per day skill) and come to the conclusion that she might be innocent. Just being a drow doesn't qualify for being BBQ, even being evil doesn't (you can't kill a candy-thief, can you?).
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Post by Barren » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:08 pm

Lord Elden wrote:In fact, a Paladin should feel the evil presence of the mob (in the board games I think the skill is 'on', so to speak, the whole time, it's not a per day skill) and come to the conclusion that she might be innocent.
While the mob would come up as evil.... so would Viconia :)
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Post by Fluffy17 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:51 pm

in the mod of IWD where you can get Keldorn's sword they say Keldorn's a racist
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Post by Barren » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:48 am

Fluffy17 wrote:in the mod of IWD where you can get Keldorn's sword they say Keldorn's a racist
Many people are racist against drow.... or goblins, or orcs, or trolls, for that matter.
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Post by MERLANCE » Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:34 am

Paladins are not allowed to associate with evil characters in PnP, so taking Viconia into the party should cause you to fall from a roleplaying point of view, though not in the game itself.

Burning her without provocation is evil and should cause you to fall.

Setting her free to do evil in the future would cause you to fall, or at least you would need to atone for your misdeeds.

Theres no right answer, though the capturing her and having a trial and then killing her is the LG thing to do.

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