Issue 13 - Body Fascism and Biocracy

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Issue 13 - Body Fascism and Biocracy

Post by the paperboy » Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:32 pm

http://www.winterwind-productions.com/i ... ascism.htm

An excellent article by Jez Strickley, a new contributor to the ezine. Very thought provoking.
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Post by Joseph » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:17 pm

I think this article by Jez, and especially with the photos provided by Nabil Shaban himself, is easily the best article we've had since the ezine went up.

I'm very happy that Jez chose to submit something and hope he continues in the future. For far too long it's been all "homegrown" talent with few new contributors.

The fact that the article is thought provoking and addresses a serious issue only makes the whole experience better from my perspective.

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Post by Bardawill » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:09 am

Ditto - I'd like to see more submissions from this guy too.
Very good article.

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Post by Firstborn » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:53 pm

Very interesting read, and well written. I'd suer like to read more from Jez! :)

The Nazis colored Europe in a red, white and black dye for years after their "passing", and the terms biocracy, racial hygiene and purity of genes are unfortunately not unfamiliar terms. And if I had my way, we'd never need to hear about them again.

I agree with Mr Shaban that I think we're heading that way again, on a way, and not soon, but eventually. Though our purity of race and biocracy will probably not be limited only to obvious disabilities, as in history and today, as I think it will be about pure general physical appearance.

We, our culture as a whole, praise beauty. Which is rather natural I think, since the surface is the first thing we see. But, what is interesting, is how we even today associate this appearance with other qualities, qualities NOT inherent in skin, lips, waist or hairdo.

For example:
We (the collective we) perceive a handsome, tanned, fit man with being healthy and socially active. True?

A not so handsome, chubby, pale man is often perceived as lazy and stupid. And the fatter he is, the more stupid he is perceived. True?

These perceptions are only true until we get to know said people for real, but until then, can you honestly say I am wrong? Don't we in this day and age generalize and judge people based on something as superficial as their looks?
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Post by D. Sauzi » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:02 pm

I agree, very well written, i would sure like to read more from Jez, thought provoking is one of the right characteristics to attribute to him.

Nabil Shabaa on the other hand, im not sure about him, i think i will not read anything by him. Honestly i dont have much feeling for such heavily political influenced writing. I would rather visit a lecture by him. I admit he of course touches on important subjects concerning the 'body fascism', and the pictures that go along with it are fittingly disturbing (though a bit too disturbing for me nonetheless, i noted my eyes darting there a bit too often, though that of course too is something that fits the theme).

Somehow though, i dont believe such a set of regulations will return, of course, it is to be watched out for, and beauty is one of the more deceiving traits around, but i think anything that will resemble it will not be something forced upon society, but come from the inside. Plastic surgery is an example of that, it comes from the individual wanting more respect/chances/self esteem, not from the outside forcing it upon them.
To get a disclaimer out of the way, i would be horrified with such a society, but i could imagine a society where everyone is given the same fenotypal chances. Such an environment would be a very different thing than concepts like sterilisation or death penalty (which is nót euthanasia) for the disabled, or rather, deviated. It would be a form that actually allows chances, and is designed to help people. I would be heavily dismayed with it, but such a though experiment is, in my view, fed by other goals than genetical cleanliness.
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Post by Joseph » Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:45 pm

Very good points Lina.

As for the Nazis, well, Hitler was one of the biggest hypocrites of all. Before his rise to power, in the early days of the Nazi party, the membership was predominantly homosexual. Nothing like standing on the back of peoples to get into power then killing them off once they've served your purpose (and before they can betray your own secrets).

Let's also add in the number of Jewish scientists who had their brains picked because the Nazi scientists couldn't tell their arses from holes in the ground.

And of course, Hitler himself couldn't be further removed from his own racial and genetic ideals.

And dousi, it can and will come again unless we're wary. It happens already. Hospitals are happy to test your unborn fetus and terminate if the couple decides it has even the slightest imperfections.

Stephen Hawking is an absolutely brilliant man that would have been quickly exterminated under the Nazi regime. Or he could have been aborted had his parents been the type of purists some are, and had the technology existed back then for the screening that exists today.

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Post by Trailer Park Jesus » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:49 pm

dousi dude the pics make the piece man. shock value. in your face is the point
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Post by Marcus » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:26 pm

I got problems to understand some of it, being tired and not native language I presume ;D

But this was a VERY good text!

And how stupid of me to miss the little "next" button down there, the other times I been reading!

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Post by Joseph » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:50 am

I could indeed be the ESL Syndrome... :wink:

Being a more "formal" article as opposed to a personal column, I can understand how it might be more difficult to read.

And yes, a lot of people (surprisingly to me) miss that next button in the bottom right.

So... what thoughts do you have on the subject of discrimination and stereotypes based on the body?

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Post by AngryKidJoe » Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:25 pm

I'm was a bit hesitant to reply to this article as I'm indifferent with the perspective of it. It was well written and I would read more Strickley without a doubt.

As for my thoughts on the subject of discrimination and stereotypes based on the body, I'm a little off color on this one. While physical deformities or handicaps aren't a factor in my opinion (the person generally still wields the mental capacity to be a contributor to society) it becomes a very black area that a lot of people tend to shy away from if ever explored in conversation with me.

I think I'm actually going to respectfully withhold my opinion. Excellent article, eye-opening in some parts and delivered well.
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Post by Firstborn » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:13 pm

I respect you not wanting to share your opinion here AKJ, so this is in no way meant to convince you to.

But, I still have to admit it does make me wonder. Especially since I remember you having a rather... Let's call it an "unorthodox" view on human life. ^^
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Post by Runenklinge » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:35 pm

interesting subject. Personally I don't think there's a way around the matter though. First of all you can't prevent mankind from increasing its knowledge, not forever anyways, which means that things like banning certain kinds of genome research in Europe isn't going to work in the long run. And secondly, you cannot keep anyone from tinkering with genetical material once they have the knowledge/technology.

I think genetical "value" will become a marker for people's social standing in the future, much like physical strength, money, or influence have been in the past. I'm not really having a problem with that, because all the things I just cited tend be just as "unfairly" distributed :wink:

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Post by D. Sauzi » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:59 pm

oh yes, i was thinking to add a small remark on plastic surgery and pornstars.. Myself too in this thread have made a point against this, in a post above. However, looking at several posts on the forum, among others in the 'sex sex eeew' thread, it might actually be the other way around.
People who've had plastic surgery, even if its altering your body for porn sales, are simply people as well, and are not to be discriminated against. Ill try and keep that in mind myself.
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Post by Jez » Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:24 pm

Hi everyone,

May I say a very big thank you for all your comments. I really appreciate you taking the time to read my piece and offer your views on it. I plan to contribute further articles in the future.

Thanks again,

Jez :D

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Post by Firstborn » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:13 pm

Great to see you here Jez! :D
And it's fantastic to hear that you're planning to share even more of your writing with us. Looking forward to it. :)
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