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 Post subject: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:55 pm 
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Amy Van De Casteele takes a look at the origins of Halloween via our pagan past.

http://www.winterwind-productions.com/feature_articles/the_origins_of_halloween/

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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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I love stuff like this! Very interesting! I think more people need to know the origin of the capitalistic holidays we have today.


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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Yeah, not a fan of "commercial holidays" (Halloween in it's current form, is it even celebrated outside North America?, Mothers day, Fathers day, Valentines day, again is it actually celebrated anywhere other than retail stores?) nor the commercialization of actual holidays (glares accusingly at Christmas). The only "holiday" I actually celebrate is New Year (not because it's a new year, but because the parties are usually fun and spectacular, so I guess you could say I just like to get drunk that night and have a good time, New Year simply being the pretext, hypocrite that I am). The rest I ignore or outright mock.

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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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^ Not a fan of commercial holidays says the biggest capitalist on the boards... ;)

Every thing's commercialised, mate. Your motorcycle, your holidays, your home, your groceries. Unless you're bartering...

As for the article and topic at hand, I quite liked this piece. Reminds me of my younger days when I studied/practised wicca/paganism. I have found memories of those times even though age turned me to an atheist.

What really steams me is the brouhaha this fall here about banning Halloween from schools. Not to derail this topic but, just like Christmas here in Canada (and the rest of the West I'm sure) I'm extremely tired of immigrants coming here and telling us we can't celebrate our traditions because they're offended. If Christmas and Halloween offend you, there's the door, go back East.


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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There is diffrences between buying a car and turning old holidays that people followed with their heart and mind into a "BUY 5 PAY FOR 3" holiday.

And the immigrants, should shut up and just "smile" about it. We celebrate their Eid and what else they have. We point out that we need to respect their holidays and we let them have kosher and halal and all other things. And they bitch about Christmas trees? Really? Shut the fudge up and accept us!


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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In my limited, immigrant, agnostic experience, it's not religious "immigrants" (by which I assume you mean non-Christians) complaining about these things. It's either athiests and /or firm seculraists complaining about unnecessary religious festivals, or it's Christians complaining about the commercialisation and paganisation of a festival they see as Christian. Obviously, this is discounting the bunch of people who are not particularly Christian until they feel the need to defend a particular holiday.


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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Come to Canada. Quite simply, quite honestly, quite bluntly, all the complaints about Christmas and Halloween come from the Islamics. And many also demand the right to practise Sharia law in Canada and act surprised when our police arrest them and our courts convict them of murder in their so-called honour killings. I'm as open-minded as anyone but it's a growing problem.

I'm an atheist. Many of my friends are and not a single one of us has an issue with Halloween or Christmas.


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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I heard the same as Joseph to be honest.

Of course it goes both ways, bigots complaining about Eid and such. I say everyone should just shut the fudge up instead and stop complain.

I like to eat baklava at friends house around Eid, I have no problems with that. But stop bitching on my Christmas, those who do. Santa Claus is the best in his coca cola colours and I love the Christmas feel! :)


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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And that's the problem isn't it. If we comment on it we're racist or intolerant but the reality of the situation is if we went to the East and complained about being offended by their religious symbolism or culture well, they wouldn't give a damn and we wouldn't last very long, being either jailed or killed for "blasphemy". But they can come to the West and demand the right to practice their religion while demanding we cease displaying ours.

It's an absurd, offensive hypocrisy. When we can't even have Christmas parties at work because "Christmas" is offensive or, in keeping with the theme of this article, Halloween is offensive... seriously? As I said, I'm an atheist. Born and raised in the Christian faith, studied and practised wicca and paganism in my late teens/early twenties and then just moved beyond religion but I like Christmas trees. I like nativity scenes. I like ghosts and goblins and jack-o-laterns and firmly believe in both "when in Rome" and "live and let live".


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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More great work, Amy -

Coincidentally, I was planning on researching the festival of Samhain, but you've saved me the trouble - thanks!

And, I seem to remember it was around Halloween some five years back that I first discovered WW - Joseph's DW diorama storytelling was the hook back then!


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Joseph wrote:
And that's the problem isn't it. If we comment on it we're racist or intolerant but the reality of the situation is if we went to the East and complained about being offended by their religious symbolism or culture well, they wouldn't give a damn and we wouldn't last very long, being either jailed or killed for "blasphemy". But they can come to the West and demand the right to practice their religion while demanding we cease displaying ours.

It's an absurd, offensive hypocrisy. When we can't even have Christmas parties at work because "Christmas" is offensive or, in keeping with the theme of this article, Halloween is offensive... seriously? As I said, I'm an atheist. Born and raised in the Christian faith, studied and practised wicca and paganism in my late teens/early twenties and then just moved beyond religion but I like Christmas trees. I like nativity scenes. I like ghosts and goblins and jack-o-laterns and firmly believe in both "when in Rome" and "live and let live".


I can simply agree.

Im very interested in all the unique cultures of this world! But seemingly some are not respectful of the culture they moved to. I also sense that the Christmas theme is slowly getting outsourced from TV to make it "International" and have less of a Christmas theme. It makes me sad. Less bitching, less whining! Let people enjoy what they do and remember where we live. I do not run around blaspheming God while on Ireland, knowing they are Catholic, I do not laugh them in their face and taunt them for praising saints or bitch that Saint Patricks offensive to me.

Good part is, we can choice to avoid such celebrations instead of bitching about them. Halloween not your cup of tea? Well dont celebrate it you dickward. I sure dont, I find it to be a non Scandinavian holiday and avoid it. But I won't go demand its removal if people want to celebrat that holiday. Nor do non of my friends it seems, makes me happy. Leave it be, just like some people enjoy football over ice hockey or vice verse. Sure, we can mess around a bit and tease each others that our sports or holiday is better but in the end, what in the name of god do we gain from these complains and demands? :eyebrow:


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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I could look this up but a) it keeps discussion going and b) it's good for Marcus to keep working on his English... ;)

Marcus, what Halloween traditions do you Swedes/Scanians have, if any?


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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We celebrate som kind of version of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints%27_Day

All I know about this is that we went to a local cemetary and lighted candles and thought about the dead. Not dressing up as slutty ghosts or chubby Batman and got drunk. Thats how it seemingly is to day. Another excuse to drink, as usual!


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 Post subject: Re: The Origins of Halloween by Amy Van De Casteele
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I used to be scared of that time of year in case the Cutty Black Sow made an appearance. Luckily, I have yet to die on All Souls to test this demon out. Hehehe.

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