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Post by Joseph » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:50 am

Riker is... yeah, a jerk to anyone that either doesn't outrank him or belong to his inner circle. Plus that annoying walk of his, head tilted, leaning forward and to one side... I always wanted to see pretty much the entire main crew phasered out of existence.

And yes, I'm glad you're discovering the charms of TOS. Like any show, there are good episodes and weak ones but TOS will always remain my favourite. And another thing that may help you look beyond when you watch... a lot of the actors were theatre actors. It shows in their performance. TV acting was different back then too so...

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Post by Fluffy17 » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:11 am

Joseph wrote:Riker is... yeah, a jerk to anyone that either doesn't outrank him or belong to his inner circle. Plus that annoying walk of his, head tilted, leaning forward and to one side... I always wanted to see pretty much the entire main crew phasered out of existence.
:haha: That's it, let the hate flow through you.

I also hate the Brett Spiner worship on the show. He's a decent actor but please, I don't want to see him 3 times in different rows.
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Post by Fluffy17 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:57 pm

Just started The Galileo Seven and all I have to say is, the CGI (if that is CGI, no idea if it is) is great. TOS is growing on me, despite the obvious casual sexism (and oddly enough I find TOS to be the least offensive in that regard).
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Post by Joseph » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:59 pm

Well, remember TOS is a product of its time, the late 1960s.

As for CGI... there was no CGI in the 1960s. Are you watching the original TOS or the remastered TOS where they added modern CGI a few years ago?

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Post by Fluffy17 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:32 pm

Joseph wrote:Well, remember TOS is a product of its time, the late 1960s.
Exactly why I say it's the least offensive. ;)
As for CGI... there was no CGI in the 1960s. Are you watching the original TOS or the remastered TOS where they added modern CGI a few years ago?
Remastered.
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Post by Fluffy17 » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:35 pm

So I started reading an Enterprise book. It had a cute first chapter where Cutler, Hoshi, Mayweather and an ensign were playing an RPG Cutler improvised. Cutler kept telling Hoshi to basically realize this is a game and not a history book since they are martians in the game but not in the Star Trek universe. Oh and Mayweather made fun the ensign's character Mr. Doom.

It was something that would've been a great scene in an Enterprise episode and would've given some of Hoshi and Mayweather's character besides "I am scared of everything, even my reflection." and "Yo homies I was in space yo." Plus I'm a sucker for recreation scenes not dependent on the holodeck.
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Post by Gorth » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:26 am

In semi-related news...

V'ger has now reached the edge of the solar system.
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Post by Joseph » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:30 am

Ok, so, we're in the early 21st century. We don't need to worry about its return until the late 23rd. Hope it has a nice time. ;)

Seriously, good post. Shame we can't put more money into peaceful endeavours like feeding and educating the world and researching and exploring beyond.

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Post by Gorth » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:38 am

You never know, it might meet some new friends along the way ;)

I really have to watch that movie again.
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Post by Fluffy17 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:41 am

Gorth wrote:You never know, it might meet some new friends along the way ;)

I really have to watch that movie again.
My mom disliked the first half of the movie but liked the second half.
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Post by Joseph » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:53 am

ST:TMP is soooo bloody boring. Not even the Director's cut saved it. The pacing was a tad better but really, well, again, product of the times. 2001 was recently out and, well, I like 2001. But not slow, boring TMP. There's a reason it's often referred to as "Star Trek: The Motionless Picture". As much as I love Star Trek, TMP is one of the last movies I'll watch. Actually, it's the last. I won't watch NEM at all.

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Post by Gorth » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:14 am

Joseph wrote:"Star Trek: The Motionless Picture".
:lol:

Sorry, but yeah, that was probably spot on.

Makes you wonder what the TV series that it replaced would have turned out to be (Star Trek: Phase II, the originally intended successor for TOS).
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Post by Fluffy17 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:50 am

Star Trek Flop II as TOS was cancelled before it could make a 5 year run.
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Post by Joseph » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:10 am

I really have no idea what that sentence is supposed to mean. If you're referring to Phase II it wasn't cancelled. Not in that traditional sense, anyhow.

Two things: Studios didn't start using demographics until shortly after TOS was cancelled. When they did, they realised that Trek was actually successful with a demographic they should have been targeting. Further strengthening that was how incredibly successful TOS was in syndication. So they went back and forth between ideas for a made for TV movie (popular once upon a time) and a new series. The new series was settled on. Sets were made. The cast contracted, a season planned out, scripts written and then in '77 Star Wars became such a massive hit they decided to make Star Trek a major motion picture.

The biggest problem with TMP was, as was often the case, Roddenberry. He had his head so far up his own ass, believing his own press, that he was near impossible to work with. Writers came and went and finally the studio more or less forced him to get it done with another writer because, well, Roddenberry just wasn't that good. In fact, after TMP he was essentially "kicked upstairs" and Trek was taken away from him. He got credited but the studio didn't really want him anywhere near it.

If you want to know more about Phase II, Google is your friend. ;)

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Post by Fluffy17 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:37 pm

Oh wow, thanks I just read somewhere that Enterprise was the second Star Trek series not to finish it's run since TOS. My big mistake.

As for Roddenberry, he was a great world builder but a very bad writer.
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