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Post by Firstborn » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:50 pm

To be honest, no I don't want to hear it either. One morning when I stepped outside, a racist political organization had posted a poster with their rather hateful message on a wall close to my house, and I kid you not when I felt personally offended by it.

But it's still a question of principle for me. Censorship, no mater what kind is a way of state control over free will and expressing opinions. And even if my heart says I don't like it, and think some topics best to be kept away from the public, reason tells me it's wrong.

I'm leaning towards not agreeing with censorship in any question. It hasn't helped society much so far compared to how much is has caused harm...

As of now, it's even up for legislation within the EU to criminalize what is called "terrorist talk". Not terrorist actions, but TALK.
So how do you define "terrorist talk"? Someone talking about something your government don't want to see in the light of day? Just look at how gracefully the UK treated Iceland in gaining money by abusing anti-terrorist laws.

A terrorist is someone who uses violence for political purposes. So ther are Terrorists, terrorist actions and there are terrorist violence. But a person who criticizes his government or another country by talking, is no terrorist, there is no such thing as terrorist talk.

I suppose what they want to get at is communication between terrorist before any terror deed is ever committed. But this is not a definition within the proposed law, no definition of the term "Terrorist talk" is planned, and there are no strong indications that there will be either.
And this is why criminalizing opinions is such a dangerous thing.



Well, that was it. I think.
And yeah.. I really should not be ranting away like this when this tired. Hope you guys made any sense of it anyhow.^^
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Post by Marcus » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Well, I would have vote no for EU and will vote no for EMU if it comes up again, The union is a tool to control us, a new Rome, a new Holy Roman empire.

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Post by Runenklinge » Mon Sep 28, 2009 6:41 am

Lord sadness wrote:Well, I would have vote no for EU and will vote no for EMU if it comes up again, The union is a tool to control us, a new Rome, a new Holy Roman empire.
if only


terrorist talk, sounds awesome. Well, here it was up in discussions at some point that university students/ pupils should be "surveilled" closely so you notice if anyone is close to running amok/ becoming a terrorist.

Lolol, I mean 80% of all university students are oddballs anyways.

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Post by Joseph » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:35 pm

The problem is we live in a world where most people are, at best, of only average intelligence and awareness, and will believe anything the government (and it's controlled media branches) spoon feed them.

So hey, let's sacrifice more freedoms and liberties to live in a "safer" world.

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Post by Marcus » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:58 pm

I rather sit in the security of the state the way it is now then dark ages anarchy of war between feudal lords, burning of villages, pillages and rapings is common day experiences.

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Post by Joseph » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:59 pm

So would I. And I'm not proposing anarchy by any means but state control does have to be kept in check in a free society.

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Post by Marcus » Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:07 pm

A society is never really free, always someone who gonna complain about it.

So in someone eye's it's never free enough.

And the cycle of Anarchy - Totalitarianis - Democracy seemingly will brake if we go from Democracy back to the totaliterian dictatorship. I guess new waves of anarchistic youths and extremist groups makes government today more eager to get the control back.

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Post by Marcus » Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:18 am

Reading the newspaper today that Unesco has marked my local dialect, Skånska/Scanian as a threatened to be extinct language. Of course the Swede's do not think it is since it's not a "written" language.

I am happy to see someone takes up Swedens history as an oppressor that tried to conquer everything around it.

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This I found on the net is fun to see too.

http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?pg=00206

Sweden who wants to be and think it is the top crusader of human rights and similar got 9! Nine languages that it do not protect in it's own borders.

Seemingly some times Sweden is more eager to help out others then those in its own boarders.

These languages are

North Saami
Lule Saami
Pite Saami
Ume Saami
South Saami
Dalecarlian
Gutnish
Scanian
Yiddish (Oh well? On the map it says Belarus, so not Swedens fault alone)

The thing is, especially the Saami people had rough time, being objects for race biology in the early 1900 and so on.

Then we can take a look on the US that got 181 languges and Canada 88 languages threatened to be extinct.

Do not know if you people see this as a newsup but I am happy to see someone takes up Swedens carelessness towards languages inside its borders. Hopefully this makes media take up the brutal slaughter of the Swedish language aswell when people start to accept imigrants speaking their own homemade Swedish, journalism becoming careless in newspapers and similar doing more and more grammatical errors and so on and simplifying of a language.

A lot of nations here got languages that is threatened. Then if its simply dialects or not do not matter. Globalization murders identity and the unqiueness of cultures and nations.

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Post by Joseph » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:44 pm

Don't brag about your sex life in Saudi Arabia...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8295020.stm

5 years in prison and 1000 lashes.

Saudi Arabia and Islamic law can take a long hard suck on my... well, you get the point. The extreme stupidity of religious fanatics has always been good for a laugh. Remind me not to plan any vacations there. Although... it might be a fun place to shoot a series of outdoor porn flicks.

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Post by Magnus » Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:33 pm

Oh the insanity...
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Post by Marcus » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:24 pm

Indeed Josan, indeed.

And the European Union is the new Soviet Union, it takes the Czech to ask if it break their constitution.

fudge you European Union, fudge you.

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Post by Runenklinge » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:43 pm

Josan wrote:Saudi Arabia and Islamic law can take a long hard suck on my... well, you get the point. The extreme stupidity of religious fanatics has always been good for a laugh. Remind me not to plan any vacations there. Although... it might be a fun place to shoot a series of outdoor porn flicks.
in Slovakia it is now officially legal to take pictures of minors having sex. The reasoning behind that is that if sex between minors isn't illegal, filming it shouldn't be either.

Secular laws aren't necessarily much brighter

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Post by Joseph » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:01 pm

I never said they were. But any laws based on fairy tale religions are daft by definition.

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Post by Joseph » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:26 pm

Now here's a criminal sentence you don't see every day. I like it!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl ... 308946.stm

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Post by Marcus » Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:51 am

Just read a 19 year old woman visiting her father got raped in jail by a sex convict. This makes my blood boil and it shows that the Swedish fucking happy happy rehabilitate system where the prisoners do what the fudge they want is WRONG.

Bring in the security state, decapitate this man and exile his family to Iran. If criminals think they can do what the hell they want and execute people the state must follow up like in the dark ages and show them that no man is above law.

How can they be so damn layed back at a jail? They are not there cause they stole candy from a child!

And this, http://www.thelocal.se/22898/20091027/ would make the Nordic nations more of a power house and maybe would make us able to push our interest instead of listening to the rest of the morons in the EU.

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